What if s/he never apologizes?

I was listening to Esther Perel's talk to a group of entrepreneurs and then to the first case in her podcast "Where Should We begin?". The podcast episode is about a couple with poor communication skills and Perel walks them towards a more honest conversation. The couple suffered from the husband's infidelity and were working to save their marriage of eleven years and three small children.


As I listened, I went back to my teens, when my parents went through infidelity. The wife was asking Perel the same questions I had asked my therapist in some of the counselling sessions I attended as a consequence of my father's affair. The couple on the podcast had realised they have been influenced by the impositions of patriarchy. The wife pleased the husband because that is what she had learned to do. So many of us are not aware that we learn how to love from our upbringing and that love doesn't just happen naturally but it rather a verb we must master through work.

There are other complications in the podcast, but the bottom line is that I went back in time and thought of my mother. She never received an apology from her unfaithful husband, he never committed to recovery work, he didn't even end the affair when my mother found out. There are many betrayed spouses in the exact same position today. Not much has changed in the way some wayward spouses evade their responsibility for the harm they cause the betrayed.

The difference today with thirty years ago is that the betrayed spouse doesn't have to put up with a confused partner. The simple solution is to separate after discovery. Later on, the couples are left with divorce complications and co-parenting issues to sort out and this can be the least painful solution for all family members. Sometimes there is no choice to make because the cheater runs away and remarries the AP or not. 

My AHA moment today about my mother's case was the understanding of what she did. I finally realised that she wanted to save her marriage and, with an unwilling husband, she went on to change herself. This is the key that Esther Perel talked about today. If you want to change another person you must start by changing yourself. 

If you want to change another person you must start by changing yourself.

My mother went on to have individual therapy and learned about healthy relationships, how to be a better mother and have better communication with everyone. She stopped being the woman waiting for my father to return from work every evening and registered to complete her university degree. She did so at fifty. She found her bubbly self and became a better person. 

My father eventually came back to her. After wandering and roaming, he chose my mother and she took him back because she wanted to grow old with him. It was her choice too. I thought it was something I'd never do. If my husband betrayed me, I'd kick him out immediately. He was warned and yet, he did it. 

Both my father and my husband are good people. They were just broken and ended up being unfaithful. They were not able to communicate their needs during their mid-life crises so they strayed looking for their lost selves. Up to that point they were committed to their wives for over twenty years and were dedicated fathers.

I did kick my husband out of my life after Dday. I set him free to run away with his AP. He ended the affair immediately and promised to fight for our marriage. One of my realisations post-discovery was that the love I felt for him didn't come with a switch I could turn off and, after over a year, I can now see that there is a lot more to my husband than his infidelity. 

I still don't trust him as I once did. I suppose I never will. But I can appreciate his good qualities and the advantages of not having destroyed the life we created together. I must keep my mouth shut so that I don't torture my children the way I was tortured every time my mother would bring up my father's affair, even years later. I hated that and I know my children hate it when I fight with my husband out of anger for what he did. 

I am getting better at controlling my outbursts and making sure I wait until the children cannot hear me if I have something to discuss with my husband. I am also focusing on what is real and not on what happened in the past. I haven't been able to silence in my mind what I heard from that recording that was my key to freedom from his gaslighting. I am still waiting for the day it will become like an old piece of furniture I can just walk by and not pay attention. 

I know from those who have stayed with an ex-unfaithful who shows remorse and places boundaries to help the betrayed recover, that time helps with leaving the affair in the past. It's been only a year and a bit. It will get better as long as we continue to work in creating new memories and writing our own story. 

There is no secret formula. If your partner betrayed you and is not doing the work, there is this possibility of working on yourself and giving them the chance to show remorse and treating you the way you deserve. But don't wait too long. It took my mother thirty years to accept that my father had an affair of three years. It was painful every time she brought it up because he didn't help her to heal, except by being present and letting her unload while he remained quiet. I hated it as a young woman. 

You deserve his/her remorse if you are to work on your marriage. In the meantime, be compassionate towards yourself. If you have been putting up with their shit, forgive yourself for that and start focusing on YOUR healing today. Put boundaries in place if the relationship is not worth it and know that, one day, you too will look at the infidelity as a thing of the past. Create new memories of you with you, or you with your children if you have them. 

If there is no remorse, there is no healthy marriage recovery. You will be better on your own. And you will be just fine.

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  1. Strivingsurviving3 January 2020 at 08:23

    I have read all your posts by now and I am trying to come to grips with my situation. His affair started at his 40th birthday Sept 2017, Dday was in June 2018 but I suspected with major alarms that couldn't be ignored in April 2018. I had been gaslit terribly. I filed for 2 divorced and didnt follow through. Not because I love him but because of what it was doing to my children. Because of 20 years of knowing him and I dont know why. In my opinion he has not been remorseful. He felt guilty of the discomfort brought on to the family and himself. But he seems more interested in self preservation. He says he loves me but "therapy doesnt work" for him. Becusse he didnt do the work. We got into couples therapy almost immediately after I found out with a therapist he chose but he lied to her and me from day 1. He doesnt make me feel special or go out of his way to make things better. He just wants to "pretend normal". I have had many downs (lost 20lbs, suicidal and almost commited, antidepressants and therapy) and am feeling better, but not from his help. I have decided to stay married to him for the comfort of my children and our life together of 20 years. Since he hasnt and isnt actively working on me and our marriage (he is actively working on himself...he has an obsession with working out and his looks) I never felt he chose me. I have been working on myself internally. Needing him less for emotional support as he isnt there. He gets defensive and runs away and dismissive when it comes to my pain which makes my feelings worse. So disengaging my happiness from him works best at the moment. I dont know if I am doing this right. I know I will.never trust him again. Like glass once shattered it can never be put together again. I worried about the damage staying with him for the sake of my children to my children, but I have seen how it was like for my kids when we were separated and I am unwilling to let my children be subjected to him poor parenting and choices. So I feel stuck. I know you wrote posts of your own experience as a child. Can you provide more info on how your mother survive your father's infidelity? Since he was not remorseful and did no work and was absent for a while. How did you come out of it. I just dont know how to proceed. I am just trying not to feel all my feels everyday. Take one day at a time. I also know if I find out he is cheating on me again or is continuing I will ask him to move out. And eventually pursue divorce not in a hurried painfilled fashion but when timing is right for his work and my ability to negotiate terms that would be least hurtful for our children.

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    1. Dear SS,
      I hear you big time. I've been thinking of what to tell you and two words came to mind: Compassion and Love. You must start from yourself. It seems to me like you are doing the right thing. Our dates are similar and your case is similar to my parents' in other ways. Your H is living his mid-life crisis. Like me, you experienced separation and its challenges. If there is a next time, you will do better, as you pointed it out.

      Your H is not in a good place, he has his own issues to deal with and you cannot do the work for him. Rightly so, you keep focusing on yourself. The better you feel, the stronger you get, the more you will be able to show compassion to him too. From here, you will know if being with him is not safe, then it's better to separate in due time. But if you get stronger and independent, he might see the light before your love for him fully dissipates. I've found the most challenging bit is to learn to live with the uncertainty.

      It took my mum three full years until my father decided to stay with her. And he didn't support her emotionally until after twenty years later. Now that they are in their late seventies, they have learned to love each other again. My mum just focused on her studies and on her health. She surrounded herself with empaths and people who would lift her up. If my father came to visit and wanted intimacy, she'd go for it. Always polite and always willing, until one day he arrived with his suitcases. He chose her. Men are simple. If your H is with you, it's already a big step for your family.

      In spite of all the pain my father caused us, he did the best he could to keep the family together by staying with my mum. It took me until a few weeks ago to be able to show compassion towards him. And I healed my own trauma in the process.

      Hope this helps. Take care, love yourself and know that you are doing the best you can. You are so worth it and such a beautiful soul.

      Lots of love,

      Helen

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    2. Strivingsurviving4 January 2020 at 21:37

      Dearest Helen,

      I so appreciate your words. I find much comfort in them. I feel better knowing that someone understands and feels I am moving in the right direction. However a huge wrench got thrown right after I wrote that comment. The woman called my husband to tell him the security dog they had at work that she took ownership of last April is sick and dying. And she has no transport or money and doesnt know what to do. The dog was a security dog at work and where he was the daddy and she was its mommy. When he was found out and got fired he took it home to our house. I took care of it for a year. After he said he was done cheating on me. But when I found out he was still cheating in March I asked that he move out and take the dog with him. This was 1 week short of our 15 year anniversary. In April of 2019 he gave her the dog promised me he was done and came back to live at home. But I did not know he had kept the door open for her to call him regarding the dog if she ever wanted him to take it back or needed help. When she called he was still home. I heard the timbre of his voice change and knew he was talking to a female. He walked out of the room for a few minutes and came back and told me it was her. Told me she said she had no mode of transport and money and didnt know what to do he said he'd call her back. To his credit he did tell me right away, but I was there. To my credit I did not yell or get upset. I asked him what he was going to do and he said he may get a friend to call her to help her financially if he calls her back. We left it at that. He went to work. In the evening I discussed my concerns and suspicions. But I said it was up to him what he wanted to do. He said he doesnt intend to contact her but if he does he will get a friend to talk to her. I said nothing. We havent spoken about it since.

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    3. Strivingsurviving4 January 2020 at 21:37

      He says he "cares" about the dog. That is the only reason he would help her with transport and financially. But my concern is also he did not end it in April. He did leave the door open for her to call him about the dog if she wanted him to take it back or whatever. Also something very fishy about this. She says she has no one. She has a husband with a truck. Why didnt she call her husband to take the dog to the vet? She claims the dog is so sick and she loves the dog. Wouldn't you take your pet to the vet and deal w bills later? Why wait until the dog is dying? Why didnt she take care of the pet and then send the bill to him then? If your dog gets sick do you call your ex-boyfriend or your husband for help and they figure it out together?
      Also Vets have payment plans and dont just turn sick animals away. The dog also has a vet he used to go to. She is using the dog to get to my husband and using this to draw him in. There are many ways to save the dog and do the payment later. If the dog is actually sick. She wants money. She will only save the dog if he pays. That sounds like a person who doesn't care about the actual dog. My husband is too blind to see that she is manipulative. She is trying to make a situation to wedge between him and I to get us to fight. If she cared for him or was even a good person she would leave him alone. She has done our family so much damage. It should have been clear that he ended it when the dog was handed over. He should have not let the door stay open for her to call him which he said he did about the dog. And there is Uber if her husband with a truck wont help. Which seems ridiculous. There are so many ways to get a dog to the vet ( a neighbor, an uber, a friend, her brother, her mother...I could go on). And she could always send the bill later or have payment plan per month. She did NOT have to call him.

      It is very manipulative. He already gave her 15K and set up her shop with merchandise and another 5K in loans. How much more money does he feel he has to give?

      Whatever he decides I hope he is honest with me and does not lie. He needs to communicate with me. I have never once stood in the way of what he wants to do. Before her he never needed to lie. Dishonesty in a marriage is never good. If he wants to give her money go ahead. He wants to see her, the dog and call her go ahead. He wants to leave our family to be with her fine. Be honest. Enough with the lies. Life is too short.

      Right now all I am doing is staying calm and carrying on. What happens next with what he does will determine what I do after I give things proper thought.

      Any advice or thoughts are welcome.

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    4. Dear SS,

      You are absolutely right when you say that what he does will be very telling about what step to take next. There are a few positive signs like that he told you who was calling, even if you were there. You must give him credit for that, as he could have lied. He involved you in the handling of the situation. It is important to remain as a team mate as long as he involves you. Don't let the rage take over. You have to think strategically here.

      She is obviously using the dog as an excuse. You are right in the analysis of the situation, there were so many other ways to take the dog to the Vet. I agree that she wants money. I like that your H is suggesting a friend will contact her if there is the need to do so. The dog is like a child from their affair. Unfortunately my mother had to deal with a human child in her case. It is very painful because the dog/child is not at fault. They are dragged into the affair by the affair partners. And they suffer. But it is not your responsibility and your H has to choose between the dog/being in contact with her or you and his children.

      I send you strength. I hope other Tweeps can chime in.

      Lots of love,

      H

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    5. Strivingsurviving5 January 2020 at 06:10

      Thank you for your reply. It is good to confirm what I feel. Sometimes I worry that I am so emotionally damaged from this whole ordeal I cannot see straight anymore. It is good to know my instincts are still working. I liked the dog too and animals in general that is why I kept him at my house for a year (even though it reminded me of the affair daily as it was their love "child"). As you said, it wasnt the dogs fault. I find it neglect and animal abuse that she contacted my husband saying it is very sick and dying instead of taking it to the vet and just asking for money for the bill if she needed financial help afterwards (even that is horrid it is still far worse than using the dogs suffering to pull my husband back into contact with her). He said to me he only stayed on the phone and spoke to her because he was in shock that she called as he thought "all that was behind him". He has not said anything about contact with her since. I am afraid to ask daily. I just pretend normal. I want to ask him not to keep him or prevent him leaving but so I can plan my next step. His mother and brothers all agree he should block her number but she just used someone else's phone to call him the other day. I think it is up to my husband to be a man. If he wants to stay as a family then he needs to finally shut the door and say NO to her. Otherwise we will be on this rollercoaster until my children are grown and I will not only not love him (which I feel about 80-90% at that I dont love him out of self-protection) I will abhor him. My friend said it will be the "final nail on the coffin" of our marriage if he helps her and stay in contact as in my emotional connection to him. I will never understand how a person can be so selfishly destructive to their family, children and wife. On top of all this my parents are visiting and staying near us and he avoids them like the plague. He only comes home after they leave the house and they usually stay for dinner with mum and I taking turns to cook. Super awkward and uncomfortable for me and my children. Understandably my dad doesn't want anything to do with him especially since my husband did not reach out to apologize. It was like this over summer holidays too. I asked him is he going to avoid my parents the whole trip and he says no. But it has been since beginning of Dec and he hasnt done a thing but avoid them. Texting me, "is it ok to come home now" as in have they left!!!!

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    6. Strivingsurviving5 January 2020 at 06:33

      I have a feeling whatever he does or did he wont tell me until after I give him a haircut. He has a big meeting on Tuesday and wants me to cut his hair. He may also want to look good for her so he may wait until after tomorrow to see her. Should that happen.

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    7. Dear Striving Survival,

      I hear you. I hope you have more clarity by now. Always follow your instinct because infidelity sharpens it up for us. You deserve to be loved.

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  2. Strivingsurviving10 January 2020 at 06:04

    I had a nagging sensation last night as I was cooking dinner for the second time for him as he is still avoiding my parents. Is he still lying? Why am I making an effort if he is being dishonest. I text him and said "Are you on contact with the other woman" He replied "No". I then started typing that I want him to swear that was the truth because I am working so hard to make things comfortable for everyone the least I deserve is honesty. I wasnt able to send that because he called and told me he did call her. In fact, after she called Friday on Monday he went to work and borrowed someone's phone to call her and she said she took the dog to the vet and it died Saturday. All details aside...he lied again. All I ever asked was for honesty. Well, a row ensued in our garage. And he used semantics against me saying he wasnt in contact with her regularly or at that particular moment I asked. He made excuses for his behaviors citing he didnt want to tell me because I reacted badly on Friday when she called (actually I was very calm and didnt even talk to him until that evening again about it and not after that at all about it). He said he "ommitted" telling me because he didnt want to fight and deal with my over reaction. I said my reaction is quite normal for someone in my position and it was too bad he couldn't be honest because I too wondered about the dog and it was too bad he didnt think we could work as a team and come out of this situation together. He could have been honest and said he was going to call her about the dog and have me in on the call and there were many ways not to lie. Anyway, at this point it feels it's like he sealed any hope of trust ever again. He has made me unbearably unhappy the last 2 to 3 years now and with all the lying (he had the audacity to say I havent lied in 10 month when I know he lied to me at 2x this week about this situation with the woman). There is no hope for this man. I havent spoken to him since we have retreated to opposite ends of the home. I dont have anything else to say. He will never see my point of view and he continues to make excuses one after another for what he did and continues to do. Oh, he didnt want another fight, oh he didnt say because I would have a bad reaction, it wasnt a big deal (which negates it self because if it wasnt a big deal why not tell me)? I am upset not because he wanted to find out about the dog or that he spoke to her. I am upset because he lied again. He doesnt get it at all. There is no trust. There is no marriage. I feel like it maybe time to separate. He has created the unhappiness and drama in my life with his actions and lies. I am so tired of it.

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    1. Dear SS,

      The dog episode is a very sad one indeed. I understand how you feel about the lying or omission. It certainly takes recovery back to the very beginning.
      It seems like you are in touch with your true feelings which is good. Keep taking care of yourself and keep observing your H's behaviour. Time will tell.

      Lots of love

      H

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